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I have never once in my life written a review for anything i've done, read, or taken part in. I usually find myself just sharing to others what i have experienced in person. I don't wish to take much time as i'm about to sit down and don't want to be typing forever.

I'm a successful person living an abundant life in many many ways that is knowledgable about the human mind, spirituality, mediation, sexuality, music, yoga, health through eating and exercise, etc...

I have never experienced such powerful change from anything i have ever done before. I used to go to music festivals and find a sense of community and growth there that i found unique and exhilarating in ways that brought me back time and time again. I found my self slowly swaying to one's over time that were less drug oriented and more spiritually based due to my attraction of the community workshops that would happen where i could find a sense of growth together with others.

I found that in the cleanest, most nuetral, powerful manner at Satvatove. It changed my life and continues to every day I use the tools I learned since the last course day.

I could type forever about the things within me that have shifted ever since reuturing from my first Satvatove course and i'd just like to point out that i did not notice or get any cult hare krishna feelings while attending the seminar. Just because hindu quotes are spoken of at some moments and the word Sattva stems from that part of the world does not mean any of that is pushed on anyone. It's all perception I guess, but I just attended what was the biggest foundational course they ever had and everyone there was in deep bliss and peace from the things they came to realize. I've never felt that close and comfortable with other's, something I didn't know i had been looking for for a long time. It's not about the course, it's about you and your growth, truly.

I deeply recommend looking into your heart and seeing if it's for you.

:)

Love and Peace

Namaste

Reason of review: Good customer service.

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Anonymous
#1590307

Little does the potential recruit know that the Satvatove educational seminar, motivational course, or training, whatever it is called, isn't really something new, or a "breakthrough," but instead simply another spin off from the so-called "transformational industry," which began in America during the 1970s. Satvatove is actually based upon established techniques used by much older LGATs like Mind Dynamics, Lifespring and Werner Erhard's seminars (EST), often called the Forum and now known as Landmark Education.

Anonymous
#1588845

The Satvatove training uses emotional stress to break down the participant's resistance to conformity with Satvatove concepts, the foremost being that the only reality is subjective -- everything that happens to a person occurs as a result of his or her own intentions. This seems to be carried far beyond rational limits.

At the end of the Satvatove training, participants feel that these ideas are coming from within themselves, rather than having been put there by the trainers. The whole thing has a flavor of radical subjectivity and a contempt for critical evaluation of ideas and beliefs. Questions from the participants about the Satvatove training are strongly discouraged. Some of you might naturally be curious to know if Satvatove has any validated psychological theory behind its training.

Apparently it does not. Nor do the most of the instructors and volunteers, apart from David Wolf, have any particular psychological training. The evidence is mixed as to whether Satvatove training is dangerous. There are certainly cases of real harm to some individuals, but no good studies that show a high risk to most participants, however stressful the experience may be.

In fact, there are no studies at all that I am aware of, about the Satvatove training. The closest thing that you will find are studies about the Lifespring training (from which Satvatove is derived). Does Satvatove training do any lasting good? The organization certainly has testimonials from participants who feel they have been helped in some way by it.

However, there are no studies of Satvatove (or Lifespring) showing any improvement in participant's functioning in any objective sense. One would think Satvatove might be interested in getting such hard evidence, but it apparently prefers to attract customers by word of mouth, personal testimonials and peer-group pressure. The subject obviously has legal, ethical and philosophical dimensions besides the scientific questions about validation or risk. Fortuitously, the Internet makes available a wealth of information about the Lifespring training, and about the many Lifespring training offshoots (of which Satvatove is but one).

There is also a lot of information available about "large-group awareness trainings" (LGATs), in general. Before you sign up for a Satvatove course, you may want to read some of it.

Anonymous
to InformedConsent #1588859

The Satvatove training makes use of intimidation, insults, public humiliation, emotional battering and a marathon format. This is all done in a contrived, controlled environment.

The Satvatove training breaks down normal boundaries. It pressures people to participate in an artificial intimacy with others that they did not choose. Additionally, the Satvatove training manipulates words to create a new reality, controlled by the leaders and facilitators.

It breaks people down, then builds them up to demonstrate the transformation they have attained. As can be seen in some of the pro-Satvatove reviews on this website, the organization encourages invalidation of the experiences of unsatisfied customers and/or critics.

Anonymous
to InformedConsent #1588928

Read the internet. Google lifespring scam, lifespring stories, lifespring landmark, lifespring scientology.

Anonymous
#1588839

Satvatove is one of the many Lifespring spinoffs out there. This snippet is from CESNUR: "The history of self-improvement seminars in Japan started when Robert White of Lifespring came to Japan to establish Life Dynamics in 1977.

Since then, many people who had participated in Life Dynamics branched out and started their own companies offering similar courses. Therefore, many of the self-improvement seminars you see in Japan today are actually Lifespring offshoots."

Anonymous
to Anonymous #1588857

Satvatove is basically Lifespring, hiding behind a facade of Hare Krishna. Similarly, Momentus (a similar training) is basically Lifespring hiding behind a facade of Christianity.

The following article is from a Christian perspective.

As a non-Christian, I found it interesting and informative. I resonated with much of what was expressed there: http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/rec_mombarton.htm

Anonymous
#1587555

From Encyclopedia of New Age Beliefs, by John Ankerberg and John Weldon: ----------------------------------------------------------------- "A 1993 dictionary of religion stated, 'The teachings of Lifespring remarkably parallel estianism'. One journalist participant in Lifespring (1990) noted that 'est and Lifespring have far more similarities than differences'.

(...) In our discussion with Lifespring graduates and staff in the late 1980s, we were told that despite differences in style, the worldview was very similar to est's. One staff member said that graduates who have taken both est and Lifespring agree that the two are the same in basic philosophy. (...) Like est, Lifespring has had its cases of psychosis, suicide, and other serious outcomes. Consider a brief history.

The ABC news program '20/20' spent ten months in 'rigorous investigation' of Lifespring, involving hundreds of interviews and examining thousands of documents. In their 1980 broadcasts on Lifespring, they noted that it utilizes very 'powerful psychological techniques', including high-pressure confrontation and exhaustive group therapy.

They also stated that the Office of the Surgeon General concluded that Lifespring 'has considerable potential for emotional harm'. "

Anonymous
to Anonymous #1587558

Also from Ankerberg and Weldon's book: --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Pam Munter, a psychologist in Portland, Oregon, has treated over 40 graduates [revised figures] who had become casualties. She commented that she had no doubts that Lifespring was 'destructive'."

Anonymous
to Anonymous #1587561

More from the same book: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Just as est has cloned Lifespring, Lifespring has cloned itself. Former trainer Dennis Becker began 'Impact Seminars', and recently Lifespring spread to Tokyo, Japan, in the form of 'Life Dynamics'.

Bob White, one of the co-founders of Lifespring, started the Japanese trainings with Duncan Callister, a lawyer who left his profession in the early seventies to join Lifespring. They hope eventually to expand to Hong Kong and Australia. There is apparently another course that is almost identical to Lifespring, started by a former Lifespring trainer (...) titled 'Insight Seminars', which is a kind of sanitized and glitzy human potential outreach.

(We might even expect these offshoots to produce their own clones in the years ahead.) As we note below, there is even an allegedly Christian version of Lifespring begun by Daniel Tocchini, a Lifespring trainer for seven years. It goes by the name of 'Momentus', 'Mashiyach Ministries' and 'Grace Training Company'."

Anonymous
#1587541

From the book Perspectives on the New Age, edited by James R. Lewis and J.

Gordon Melton: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Although est never significantly trained employees at companies' expense, far more psychological research has been done on it than on any of the more recent seminars. Much of this work was conducted on participants who claimed to have been psychologically harmed by the est training. Lifespring, which uses nearly identical methods and teachings, has been in court quite frequently. Since it was founded in 1974, Lifespring has dealt with over thirty lawsuits, or about two per year.

Almost all of these have claimed that the training caused severe psychosis, and six have claimed that trainees died as a direct result of the training.

Most of these suits have been settled out of court, for as much as $500,000 each. Legal expenses constitute Lifespring's most significant expense at $1 million per year, small considering that the organization grosses over $24 million in an identical time period."

Anonymous
to Anonymous #1587546

In a thread titled "Intimacy issues with someone who attended LifeSpring", on the Cult Education Institute's forum, a poster writes: "Lifespring is essentially a copy-cat of est..."

Anonymous
to Anonymous #1587547

The same poster also writes: "Cults routinely disrupt a person's self-concept at the deepest level. They are more than happy to go mucking about in the psyche of anyone who shows up. That's how they get their hooks in."

Anonymous
to Anonymous #1587569

Satvatove draws extensively from Lifespring. Lifespring is often described as being VERY similar to Werner Erhard's "est".

In turn, "est" is often described as being influenced by Scientology. I cannot help but ask myself: 'How much Scientology is there in Satvatove?' It is an interesting question. The following is from a thread titled "EST and Scientology", on the Operation Clambake Message Board: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Erhard read L. Ron Hubbard extensively, and Scientology ideas have influenced both est and The Forum.

Erhard later said, 'I have a lot of respect for L. Ron Hubbard and I consider him to be a genius and perhaps less acknowledged than he ought to be.' (...) Suing someone for having similar ideas won’t take you anywhere, any lawyer would tell you that. CoS accused EST of using copyrighted Hubbard data, which is a clear violation of CoS copyrights. I do not remember exactly how the lawsuit ended, but I think it drove EST out of business.

(...) I know Scientology only indirectly and I wasn't there when L.E. still was EST, but from what I experienced in Landmark and know about Scientology, there are a LOT of concepts adopted from Scientology. (...) As for Scientology concepts, El Jefe pointed out the life strategy of 'Be-Do-Have' of which I didn't know had a parallel in Scientology - so there might be more that I didn't notice.

(...) Where the reference to Scientology become really obvious though is the 'Advanced Course' (...) Landmark manipulates you into working for its own benefit while distracting you from this fact by telling you that there is something interesting for you to discover and overcome inside your resistance against its manipulation. (...) If EST folk changed the term 'engram' to the term 'traumatic experience' while leaving the Dianetics procedure intact, then this is a violation of CoS copyrights."

Anonymous
#1586450

https://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/2014/09/02/large-group-awareness-training-beware/

Anonymous
to Anonymous #1588937

Quote from a 2018 article by Philip A Farruggio: "Mind you, my experience with cults like Scientology, including my brief visit with LifeSpring (an offshoot of EST), revealed to me the vast number of highly educated and (seemingly) intelligent people who allow themselves to be taken in. I myself was taken in too… all the way up to LifeSpring’s advanced training course which consisted of two weeks of intensive (and expensive) mind control. As I began to speak one on one with some of the others sharing this experience, I realized how many overly sensitive and 'needy' folks like myself (including many recovering addicts and alcoholics) that were there."

Anonymous
#1586435

There is an interesting posting on the "r/lgat" subreddit, titled "A Landmark rant (long)", which is relevant to discussions and explorations of the Satvatove experience. Landmark Education is somewhat different from Satvatove and from Lifespring. However, it is similar enough to both of them that the posting yields valuable insights about the racket that is Satvatove.

Anonymous
to Anonymous #1586436

An excerpt from the posting: "They also manage (through repetition, shaming, authoritarianism, etc.) to drill it into your head that by ignoring other people's boundaries, you're actually being committed to them ('being a stand for another's possibility'). What an awful idea.

That's not commitment.

Nor is it enlightenment. It's being arrogant, disrespectful, and entitled."

Anonymous
to Anonymous #1586438

Another excerpt from the same posting: "If we're going to talk about trauma, my time in Landmark is hands down the most traumatic thing I've been through. Three years later and I feel like I'm still building my personality over from scratch. It was a very harsh lesson in learning not to trust people so openly..."

Anonymous
to Anonymous #1586439

An excerpt from the end of that posting: "I still can't talk about Landmark freely without my whole body freezing up. Typing this has left me feeling so damn rigid and exhausted.

I want it to be over.

How do you deal with trauma when it's a whole organization that messed with you? How do you forget the weird fear exercises and accusations and your now polluted idea of what doing the 'right' thing is?"

Anonymous
to Anonymous #1586443

Interesting excerpts from the posting: "Landmark seems to hate intelligence. What's weird is in the latter two years they started saying they wanted us to 'think critically'.

To think critically while simultaneously being 'coachable' and 'trying on' something before questioning it. (...) My brain hurt with how contradictory it was.

I seriously felt like I was living in Orwell's 1984. These people are all O'Brien, pretending to be your friend but re-arranging your mind for their own purposes."

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